This is a great collection. Sometimes it makes you wonder if their mental state is healthy.

I have submitted this post to Digg.

Hey, I’ve got one- “Death to America, the great Satan.” Hilarious!

oh god those had me busting up and “jews killed Jesus, fags would’ve just fucked him to death” i’m gonna have to use that one

Funny on the surface… but you really need to remember that there is a person behind each of these ridiculous statements that actually BELIEVES it.

There is actually a guy on the road somewhere… that believes that apes are evil and lusting after his women… this guy is breeding… with a woman that believes that Athiests turn into trees when they die.

We all need to be very scared…

There was a satirical religion set up to combat these people it is the church of the flying spaghetti monster and as long as groups like that exist we can rest assured that fundies will continue to be laughed at and ignored

Hey, how about a little compassion here? Yes, I know some of these sound funny or disturbed and I enjoyed reading them too, but don’t you feel kind of sad for someone’s whose marriage is on the rocks and they feel so out of control about it they have to blame ‘the Gays’?

And anyone who’s watched Family Guy knows that there are, indeed, Evil Monkeys out there…

Wow. Those have to be trolls. seriously, “Atheist doctors more likely to care for the poor than religious ones”? That has GOT to be a jibe at fundie hypocrits, right?

My faves are the ones saying “out with common sense and reason, in with BLIND FAITH!!!”

I must admit that atheism depresses me horribly and religion scares me and makes me angry at humanity. With that said religion will never go away so long as their are people who need to feel important beyond this world in order to live. Hardship breeds religion, insanity… Eliminate the need for religion by raising kids to have zero self esteem and regards for themselves, we’ll lose humanity but we’ll also lose religion if it could ever be successful.

some of those people are actually mentally ill.

Incidentally I frequent that site.

I must admit that atheism depresses me horribly

Oh dear! That’s a shame, Mithotyn, why should atheism depress you? To me it’s very cheering, humanity free of big, scary, supernatural, vengeful, invisible, telepathic, authoritarian, paternalistic, non-existent, aliens.

…Eliminate the need for religion by raising kids to have zero self esteem and regards for themselves, we’ll lose humanity but we’ll also lose religion if it could ever be successful.

You’ve got that exactly the wrong way round. It’s people with seriously damaged self-esteem who need the illusion of redemption provided by lies about “god”. Raise children secure in themselves and they won’t need to believe in absurd fairytales.

“I heard that mormons believed that Jesus came to america after his resurrection and that there were all these great cities in america, but there’s no record of any of these cities ever being here.
Why would anyone believe something like that if there’s no record of it accept for in their books? I don’t get it, I dont wanna sound rude because I have mormons friends and theyre good people, but it just seems dumb to believe in something that history has no record of ever happening.” http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?id=27578

Actually Tom, without self esteem there would be no desire to live forever. A person with no regard for ones self can be told “When you die, you just rot and everyone who has died before you; is just rotting” and sit there and go “meh”. It’s when you teach kids that people are special and that their feelings matter that they begin to feel entitled to more and when their brains become conditioned to have ‘faith’ .

13. “Since your a athiast, i belive you think you wil be a tree when you die correct? Well i hope you become a tree they cut you down and print the bible on you”

Classic!!!

“I heard that mormons believed that Jesus came to america after his resurrection and that there were all these great cities in america, but there’s no record of any of these cities ever being here.
Why would anyone believe something like that if there’s no record of it accept for in their books? I don’t get it, I dont wanna sound rude because I have mormons friends and theyre good people, but it just seems dumb to believe in something that history has no record of ever happening.” http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?id=27578

It’s all about faith.

I could tell you that there is this invisible guy in drag, he controls everything, he brought us all here 12 years ago from the planet Zarpnag… that we are actually tentacle-wielding pod people… we just aren’t aware of it yet because we lost our memories when our UFO crashed here.

If we lead good lives and eat our vegetables, we will grow gills and have a water-planet of our own to rule over likes the gods that we are.

The rub is that even though it sounds completely ridiculous, if you don’t have faith that it’s true… in spite of any common sense or evidence to the contrary… without blind faith, you have no belief… therefore you don’t reap the rewards of the religion.

Blind faith is what it’s all about… scary… Muslims are killing themselves for the belief that you will die and be surrounded by virgins for your faith in Allah… Catholics believe that we will grow wings and learn to play the harp… some Mormon sects believe we will rule over a planet…

Give up everything (including sanity) and follow me!

Actually Tom, without self esteem there would be no desire to live forever. A person with no regard for ones self can be told “When you die, you just rot and everyone who has died before you; is just rotting” and sit there and go “meh”. It’s when you teach kids that people are special and that their feelings matter that they begin to feel entitled to more and when their brains become conditioned to have ‘faith’ .

bullshit pull up the numbers on that and you’d probably see the opposite. Personally I didn’t go meh. I accepted it and it made me realize how important life is. I am not going to live forever and life has no meaning so I get to choose how I enjoy it. It motivates me to do what I want. At the end of the game the points don’t matter. If there is a god, I don’t care. If he doesn’t reveal himself to us he must not put any importance on us knowing if he exists or not. What need would a god have of a bunch of people blindly believing in his estimation? Nothing.

I read an interesting post once (don’t have the link, unfortunately) wherein the author made a rather convincing argument exposing creationism as a racist ideology; ie: evolution explains superficial differences between ethnic groups based on adaptation to different climates/diets, etc. Creationists can’t use this argument, so they have to come up with something else, something which either uses evolution implicitly, or is (at least much of the time) inherently racist.

Anyone ever heard of any prominent black creationists?

Religion equals mental illness.

Hilarious but terrifying. I find myself asking how people with such ignorance and hate function in society. I wonder what the deal is with all the horrendous spelling and grammar?

Hey, how about a little compassion here? Yes, I know some of these sound funny or disturbed and I enjoyed reading them too, but don’t you feel kind of sad for someone’s whose marriage is on the rocks and they feel so out of control about it they have to blame ‘the Gays’?

And anyone who’s watched Family Guy knows that there are, indeed, Evil Monkeys out there…

Lemme think hard about this one…

No. I don’t feel sorry for disillusioned wastes of life who’d sooner hang me for my lesbianism than hear me out.

Was a nice try at devil’s advocate though.

I’ve been trying to chat with dear ol’ Dad for about 7 years now (since my leaving the church and religion) with no luck. Of course I know and have accepted the absence of a God in my life. It doesn’t depress me, it makes me feel like I’m not shackled by a belief system anymore. I can be me, and focus on improving myself, and not my relationship with an invisible and inaccessible force that controls everything.

I think the only “war” between light and dark that will come any time soon is gonna be the war between the christians and the athiests when the fundies try to initiate a theocide (i think that’s a correct term…) against those without a belief in God. In that case, thank the founding fathers for the second amendment!

The theocide will come. The second amendment will not protect anyone.

If you get a chance, check out a flick called Jesus Camp… it’s a great documentary about the way the fundies have decided that they cannot win right now, so they are sending their kids to these camps that are brainwashing the kids into God…

The scary part is that the people that host them have no problem at all telling the filmmakers that they are raising the kids to be the next generation for this country, that they got a decent foothold in the government, but they are not strong enough to pull it off completely… so they are running these nazi style camps that are all propaganda…

It really is creepy.

For anyone interested… it is so worth a look

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

I “stumbled” upon this posting and have to say that initially part of me was amused at what these believers have said. But after reading through the whole list it is really scary that those people are being serious and believe what they have said is TRUTH. To me they are a bunch of hypocritical nutters and in my everyday life I have no time for such folks. My sister was brainwashed by her husband and his uber-religious family which is like a cult. She is a completely different person since marrying him and it is sad because she’s a doctor so you’d think somewhat intelligent. I’ve written her off as ever “waking up” to what has happened to her. What bothers me though is that I have a 4 yr old nephew who is so lovely, but he is being raised to believe in God, and be fearful of God, and as time passes, I see the innocence and essence of this child being replaced by ideologies that promote intolerance and hate and prejudice. And as Scott mentioned, this is happening on a massive scale, as shown in the “jesus camp” documentary. A sobering thought to say the least!

Why do people get mad that “Jews killed Jesus”? First off, I think it was actually a more complex situation than that according to event he Bible. Second of all…uhhh wasn’t he SUPPOSED to die? Isn’t the entire Christian faith BUILT around the fact that he was killed? Didn’t he KNOW he was going to be killed? So…unless I’m missing something, Christians who are mad at the Jews for “killed Jesus” are mad because the Jews did something that god wanted them to do? And needed to happen? Completely crazy.

Sorry Matt… throw logic out the door.

If jews didn’t kill Jesus, then eating burgers on a friday wouldn’t be a sin.

Why do people get mad that “Jews killed Jesus”?

Because vicious anti-semitism is a very long established part of the christian cult.

Since nearly everyone was Jewish at the time, then of course Jesus was crucified by Jews. But fundamentalists like to pick and choose the parts of the Bible that suit their needs.

Like others, I find these quotes more scary than funny. But I suspect that most moderate Christians (Catholics, Protestants) would also find them scary. Catholics believe in evolution (as the Pope reminded the world this year) and would argue with these fundies almost as much as atheists do. Or I hope they would… they’ve been awfully quiet lately.

Since nearly everyone was Jewish at the time,

What time? Lunchtime? Does this include the Chinese?

then of course Jesus was crucified by Jews.

Absolutely! And gandalf took it up the arse from hobbits.
But stories don’t matter, except to the extent that they pseudo-validate the prejudices of the embittered.

Catholics believe in evolution (as the Pope reminded the world this year)

Believing in evolution is as stupid and pointless as believing in tarot or telepathy or catholicism. Understanding evolution is what matters, and that takes a little personal effort. Ratzinger can’t claim “catholics understand evolution”!

I wasn’t asserting that Jesus existed. Of course I was talking about the area of the world where his story takes place, not China. Reading comprehension skills should come into play here, Tom Donald.

Who was your straw man argument about “understanding evolution” addressed to? Knee-jerk much? I thought it was interesting (and promising) that Ratzinger made an effort to remind the world that catholics are not creationists.

Frightening. In particular, #7 from “Rachel, One News Now” should be read by every high school civics class as an example of what “freedom of religion” does NOT mean, and further as a prime example of the dangerous minds that spurred our very wise forefathers to include the constitutional prohibition against government establishment of religion.

Rachel’s statement is also personally interesting to me because I have long thought it would be interesting to call the bluff of those who advocate prayer in schools by saying “Fine - we’ll do Christian prayers Mondays, Islamic prayers on Tuesdays, Hindu prayers on Wednesdays, Buddhist prayers on Thursdays and Wiccan prayers on Fridays, with your kids participating in all of them” and then waiting for their reactions. Rachel’s “logic” provides a good look at what we could expect. I suppose fairness IS too much to expect.

Meanwhile, I can’t help but wonder: Is Rachel, like most fundamentalists, sure her particular church’ is the one with all the correct beliefs and all the rest of the world will be going straight to hell, or could it be that the church in the next block down is the one wth the goods. Alas, poor Rachel, that would be such damnable irony.

All in all it should be pretty simple. Try to do no harm, treat others with consideration and tolerance. Avoid the folks who really irritate you.

Based on what I’ve read about all the gods running around out there, if there is an afterlife you should be in good standing. If there isn’t then it really doesn’t matter when you are dead.

o.k. kids, here’s a fun little game for you. Can you tell the atheist from the fundamentalist? Let me discribe one and see if you can guess who I’m talking about.
1. His is a minority viewpoint. Most of the people in the world believe he is taking his view of the world (belief system) a little too seriously.
2. He does not care if the whole world disagrees with his belief sytem because HE KNOWS HE IS RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.
3. Although he has not actually talked to any diety or viewed this world from anything other then the ant’s eye-view that everyone else has, he claims absolute final knowledge concerning the possibility of sentient consciousness existing in whatever was responsible for the creation.
4. This knowledge is not to be disputed as it can be found in a BOOK! that was written by people HE has decided are qualified to know (like they met God even if he didn’t).
5. He is sure that when those others who doubt him finally die that they will be unable to escape the fate he claims to know waits for them.
6. Those who oppose his views are deserving of mockery and scorn at worse and pity for their wasted lives at best.

Get over youselves. You have accepted a dogma like all the other believers. You have no proof it is correct. You just accept it on “faith”. My my, aren’t you so sophisticated and intelligent. Like I said, get over yourselves. You don’t KNOW anymore than anyone else. Like the fundies you are accepting a belief as a fact. While the existence of God has never been proven quit acting like it was disproven. That has never been more then a minority opinion.

From a physicist’s point of view the mass, energy and other forces involved in the creation of this universe are beyond human comprehension.
Combine this with the fact that to date we know almost nothing about the creation of sentient consciousness. Yet you claim to know if it could or could not have existed under conditions which are beyond human comprehension. God! I am impressed. You are soooo smart aren’t you.

But you must know what is correct. How else could you be so quick to point out who is wrong?

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Why do people get mad that “Jews killed Jesus”?

Because vicious anti-semitism is a very long established part of the christian cult.

Let’s be fair. Jews hate Christians at least as much Christians hate Jews. Anyone who doubts this might begin by reading Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, by Israel Shahak. It is available online at Alabaster’s Archive, and it is only about 100 pages.

What post was Roach reading when he wrote his ramble above because it certainly wasn’t the same one that I have been reading the last while.
(And is it so hard to do a spell-check? I mean, ‘discribe’? Are you serious? (I won’t list all the other errors)).

I liked quote #9, with the claim “Jesus is not of Middle Eastern descent.” Where do these people come up with these things?!

E.J. Broomell says there’s only one God. Fair enough. But Jews and Muslims reject belief in a trinity as disguised polytheism. Rabbi Jacob Shimmel says because of belief in a trinity, Christianity cannot be considered a truly monotheistic religion.

Christians are polytheists, too!

I remember reading an interview with a Catholic priest in the Los Angeles Times around 1989 or 1990, in which he said the Romans, not the Jews, were responsible for the crucifixion and death of Jesus.

I brought this up to my friend Rankin Fisher, a former Missionary Baptist minister, during one of our numerous theological discussions around that time, telling him this could help end anti-semitism.

One of the first books I ever read on the subject of Christian vegetarianism during 1985-86 was The Essene Christ by Christian theologian Dr. Upton Clary Ewing. In his 1961 book, Dr. Ewing writes:

“The wrongful blaming of the Jews for the death of Jesus has been one of the most effective roadblocks ever placed in the highway leading to the brotherhood of man. It is not only shameful, but completely illogical, for one to continue to hold that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus.

“As all the evidences of comparative beliefs seem to verify, Jesus and the Pharisees were more in agreement on religious issues than they were in disagreement.

“As for Jesus’ declaring himself to be the Messiah, the Jewish hierarchy would have been more amused than hostile at the audacity of anyone from Galilee making such a claim. The Jews, with very few exceptions, were far from being averse to the principles of Jesus.

“Even those who were annoyed by his jibes and his admonitions would not have felt justified in taking severe measures against him. There were great multitudes of Jews who, although they dared not protest to the Romans, wept deeply as they followed Jesus to his crucifixion.

“Even the gospel of Luke openly admits the sincere affection the Jews had for Jesus. ‘And there followed him a great company of people and of women who also bewailed and lamented him.’ (Luke 23:27)

“The trial and execution of Jesus was strictly a Roman responsibility. It was prompted by and carried out in accord with strict Roman ordinances which extended little leniency to a Jew.

“The Jews under Roman authority were tolerated only when they conformed to all the articles of strict obedience. To be involved in the slightest misdemeanor, even among themselves, could mean the lash or other harsh, humiliating punishment.

“During the Roman occupation of Judea, it was the custom of the time to mete out severe punishment for a Jew for an offense that would hardly warrant the arrest of a Roman citizen. One does not need other historical evidence to confirm this; verification is found where Paul is charged with disturbing the peace: ‘Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman?’ (Acts 22:24-29)

“The crucifixion of Jesus is explicable on one ground only: that he was sentenced to death and executed by Roman authority as a sower of sedition against Roman rule. A sentence by the Sanhedrin was imagined, and condemnation pronounced on the grounds that Jesus laid claim to be the Son of God.

“Jesus, as all four evangelists are compelled to admit, was condemned to death by Pilate on political grounds as ‘King of the Jews,’ that is, as a Messianic agitator who laid claim to some kind of royalty in Israel, which automatically made him subversive of the imperial government.

Historically, the case of Jesus is intelligible only if we admit from the outset that he was sentenced to death by Pilate alone, acting as a representative of Roman authority.

“Crucifixion was strictly a Roman means of execution. Death by stoning was the method used by the Jews, and this was ordered by the Sanhedrin only upon conviction of blasphemy; i.e., for cursing or denying the existence of God, which Jesus did not do.

“Up to the time of Jesus the Sanhedrin had not imposed a death sentence in over 200 years. In fact even if they had desired to do so they could not, for capital punishment was administered solely by Roman authority for crimes against imperial law…

“…they nailed a sign on the cross to show their contempt for the Messianic claims of Jesus: ‘Behold him the king of the Jews.’ These words which appear in all four gospels spell out examples of Roman vituperation, not Jewish judgement.”

Although the New Testament records Pontius Pilate unwillingly sentencing Jesus to his death, historians such as Josephus tell us a different story: Pontius Pilate was so brutal he wound up being recalled to Rome because of too many executions!

Luke 13:1-5 gives us a glimpse at the Pontius Pilate of history: “Just then some were present who told him (Jesus) about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices…”

Rhoach rants:

…From a physicist’s point of view the mass, energy and other forces involved in the creation of this universe are beyond human comprehension.
Combine this with the fact that to date we know almost nothing about the creation of sentient consciousness. Yet you claim to know if it could or could not have existed under conditions which are beyond human comprehension. God! I am impressed. You are soooo smart aren’t you…

Ho ho. You suggest an equivalence between ignorant science and ignorant theology: you are right! Both are characterised by ignorance.

Your characterisation of “a physicist’s point of view” is nothing at all like a physicists point of view at all. It sounds more like the point of view of someone who very specifically isn’t a physicist, a priest for example. One of the stupid things about religious thinking is that it makes the entire universe comprehensible to idiot eight year olds. Big daddy god, punishment and reward etc, who could fail to “comprehend” that? Science is more difficult, it involves WORK and STUDY and possibly a little INTELLIGENCE before it reveals its wonders.

Your fake equivalency between religion and science is a cliche of stupidity. Let me put it simply: science is a structure of organised evidence, the organisation is what scientists do with the evidence, which is what the universe does. Religion is a structure of storytelling. The universe makes no contribution at all.

Your rant reveals your profound arrogance in the face of your profound ignorance, but please don’t let that stop you, it’s quite funny.

I remember reading an interview with a Catholic priest in the Los Angeles Times around 1989 or 1990, in which he said the Romans, not the Jews, were responsible for the crucifixion and death of Jesus. …

Vasu Murti kindly brings us a theological arguement about a murder. I’m sure this kind of thing means a lot to cult members, but I’m not sure it means much to outsiders.

Isn’t the most interesting thing about anti-semitism the fact that it reveals so much about human nature? The capacity to hate, to destroy, and the importance of lies in human life?

Really, VM, I think that by argueing from biblical stories you are just encouraging these silly people. Can’t you just come out with it: christians are morally culpable for their horrible attitude towards living things, animal, vegetable, and human, and if they stopped looking for meaning in primitive stories, and looked outward into the world, they might learn a bit more and kill a bit less…

Cheers!
Tom

Typical of the media’s slant to caricature all Christians as crazy and therefore not worth listening to. But it does bring out the ire and hatred of many toward Christianity in general, that finds its vent toward the distorted depiction rampant in the decidedly biased U.S. media. If you want to see a true picture of Christianity, read the lives of the saints–if you dare. : )

I’ve come to expect this from the media, and from all those who veer to one, extreme side of the issue and try to generalize that view to the whole of things.

The Truth will triumph in the end, regardless of whether I think it will, or want it to, or not.

The media would no more call Christians “crazy” than it would call homosexuality a sexual perversion. Criticism of Israel and Judaism is even more unmentionable. All it takes to silence the media is to cry: bigotry, anti-Semitism, racism and most ridiculous of all, homophobia.

i have never seen such dumbfuckery before in my entire life. it would seriosuly be worth the death penalty to rid the world of any one of these people. i mean i love freedom of speech and freedom of religion - but people should not have the freedom to be this stupid. it makes you wonder if any of these people ever leave their house or their jesus school/church. you have to be unbelieveably stupid or have lead an unbelievably sheltered life to say half the things some of these people have said. “read the lives of the saints” - there are no more saints. you find me 10 christians worthy of sainthood and ill go crawl into a dark cave somewhere. i meet more bad christians than good. and i mean “bad” by believing such things as the above. only in america….. is it just me or are the dumb in this country becoming dumber? our forfathers would be disgusted.

I am a Frizbyterian. We worship the Frizbee. We believe that when we die our soul goes up on the roof and you can’t get it down.

I am a Frizbyterian. We worship the Frizbee. We believe that when we die our soul goes up on the roof and you can’t get it down.

‘Cause I don’t experience the frizbee in my life at this time, and I’m asserting the nonexistence of the frizbee, I’m going to get labled an afrizbeeian, just because you worship the frisbee.
What gives you the right to label me in this way, elmer b. johnson?

I am almost a Frizbyterian. I worship the Frisbee. I believe that when I die my soul goes up on the roof but a few years later it comes down when someone goes up to reroof. It’s called reincarnation.

Compare the quality of spelling, grammar and syntax in most of the above comments to that in the quotes from the fundies. Forget the looney-tunes “thought processes”, just look where a “proper Christian schooling” left them. (Shudder)

Or, if you’re short on time, just listen to a 20-second soundbite by President Hyuk-hyuk.

Compare the quality of spelling, grammar and syntax in most of the above comments to that in the quotes from the fundies. Forget the looney-tunes “thought processes”, just look where a “proper Christian schooling” left them. (Shudder)

Or, if you’re short on time, just listen to a 20-second soundbite by President Hyuk-hyuk.

JESUS H. CHRIST,GET A LIFE!!

but don’t you feel kind of sad for someone’s whose marriage is on the rocks and they feel so out of control about it they have to blame ‘the Gays’?

I do actually, but then I also wonder to what extent his marriage is on the rocks because of his fundamental views. Is his wife sitting there thinking “this guy is nuts, I’ve got to get out!” I’ll take a stab in the dark and suggest that perhaps his views are not a result of his troubles, but a cause of them. I could be wrong though….

You could be wrong though. Consider a few things:
Is it possible that the original writer is a woman whose marriage is on the rocks because her husband was caught in a compromising situation with another male? or Is it possible that he or she innocently contracted HIV or AIDS that would not have been spread throughout American society without first being spread around by “homosexuals” and legally protected by the Democrats.

is it just me or are the dumb in this country becoming dumber? our forfathers would be disgusted.

I don’t know. Take a look in the mirror and let us know.

Uh, #13 is a badly digested version of a routine by the unfunny Dane Cook from his HBO comedy special “Vicious Circle.”

It’s about 4:10 into this clip
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wts-dntnyh4

Rhoach makes a mistake common to many in the anti-evolution camp. He confuses the concept of “faith” with that of “trust”. Faith requires no evidence to believe in something. In contrast, Trust must needs be earned. In the gods we have “faith”. In science we TRUST. We trust in science because the physical evidence supports it and because our experience tells us that the scientific method works.

Several years ago I remember seeing a fundamentalist bumper sticker that was supposed mock acceptance of Darwinian evolution. It read,”Darwin said it. I believe it. That settles it.” Of course that’s not the way science works. What I would point out to Mr. Rhoach is that, yes, Darwin said it. But then we tested it. We questioned the concept. We tested it again. We continue to question & test it today. It fits the evidence. That settles it. But only until new evidence refutes it.

Not as pithy, is it? But science is about basing our “belief” (I prefer the word “acceptance”) on evidence & experimentation not on words as Mr Rhoach suggests.

There are 4 possibilities.
1] Believe that judgement day is coming for each and every one of us & act like it.
2] Dis-believe, but act like you believe.
3] Believe and act like you don’t believe.
4] Dis-believe and act like it.
Only #1 will produce a type of society we all want to enjoy.
Good and evil must be totally objectively determined or they do not exist. “Sin” can only be externally “judged”, otherwise we have the inmates in charge of insane asylum.
If there is only expediency [also known as generally societally allowed, accepted or approved] every person and human society is thoroughly burnt toast [also known as anarchy].
A society that does not believe that the wages of sin is [eternal, spiritual] death is eternally doomed [damned], but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. As it is written, “There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none that seek after God. They are all gone out of the Way; they are together become unprofitable. There is none that does good, no, not one. Do you despise the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. {And if you will not do this, with all humility and sincerity, in this life, then, your knee shall bow and your tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, but it will be too late for you then.} For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes.

There are 4 possibilities.

At which point Believer in Dallas loses me. There are not four possibilities, there are as many possibilities as can be imagined by six point six billion human brains, some of which are really phenomenally imaginative. But for Believer in Dallas there are only four possibilities. Here’s another four, Believer in Dallas:
1) You are regurgitating the jargon of a cult
2) It’s all silly nonsense
3) It’s harmful to social progress
4) It’s tremendously boring

Matt mentioned the “Jews killed Jesus” line back in August. Tom Donald responded: “Anti-semitism is a very long established part” of Christianity.

For this reason, I posted evidence that it was the Romans, not the Jews, who killed Jesus, and said this evidence could help end anti-semitism.

Tom Donald responded:

Vasu Murti kindly brings us a theological arguement…Really, VM, I think that by argueing from biblical stories you are just encouraging these silly people….”

Not at all. I’m not making a theological argument, but an historical argument. I’m a secularist, not an atheist.

Secular historian Dr. Martin A. Larson (himself an atheist) writes in The Story of Christian Origins that Jesus was no myth, but a genuine historical figure.

There is a reference to Jesus in the writings of Josephus, in which Josephus refers to Jesus as a miracle worker and “the Christ,” or messiah. Nearly all scholars agree this passage is a later Christian forgery.

However, there is another passage in Josephus that indirectly refers to Jesus, which scholars believe is authentic. It describes the stoning of James (the brother of Jesus) in 62 CE. James is referred to as “the brother of Jesus, the so-called messiah.”

This is just a passing reference, which scholars accept as authentic. It proves there was a genuine historical person named Jesus who had followers calling him the messiah.

So Jesus, like Pythagoras, the Buddha, or Mahavira, was an actual historical figure, around whom many legends and contradictory tales have emerged (e.g., the virgin birth, geneaologies, etc.)

Other scholars like Bruno Bauer have attempted to prove Jesus was a myth. Dr. Larson responds that no one could have invented the dispute between Peter and Paul. “Bauer might as well have denied the historicity of the Roman Empire,” concludes Dr. Larson.

…then of course Jesus was crucified by Jews.
Absolutely! And gandalf took it up the arse from hobbits.
But stories don’t matter, except to the extent that they pseudo-validate the prejudices of the embittered.

Thank you for that , Tom. I just spit coffee all over my computer! At least we atheists have a (intentional) sense of humor…

Yeah, and ya know what else? Pecos Bill took a stick and dug the Reo Grande! And there’s this giant lumberjack with a pet ox thats blue. And and and, there’s this other guy who killed a bear when he was only three years old. And the earth is flat too. Is to.

…I’m not making a theological argument, but an historical argument. I’m a secularist, not an atheist.

Thank you VM. Your arguement is historical only to the extent that you present the context of roman imperialism. We can only speculate about the details of the murder of jesus as no historical or archaeological sources exist. He may have been murdered by the fishmongers.

Scary.

And anyone who’s watched Family Guy knows that there are, indeed, Evil Monkeys out there…

In the magical land of Oz, you’re right. And they’re flying too.

Why do people get mad that “Jews killed Jesus”? First off, I think it was actually a more complex situation than that according to event he Bible. Second of all…uhhh wasn’t he SUPPOSED to die? Isn’t the entire Christian faith BUILT around the fact that he was killed? Didn’t he KNOW he was going to be killed? So…unless I’m missing something, Christians who are mad at the Jews for “killed Jesus” are mad because the Jews did something that god wanted them to do? And needed to happen? Completely crazy.

1. If we accept the fact that Jesus ever existed one day… well no… I start again… let’s say that at that time (about 1970 years ago), a man died on a cross and became areligious symbol of hope of some sort. A new sect IN judaism emerged… then except for the romans and some merchants from abroad, most of the people living in that part of the world (near the dead sea) were jewish. So what ?
2. Historically, christianity became a full grown up an independent religion after two or three centuries of ‘childhood’. Christians WERE jewish at that time. So what is this stupid story about “jews” killed Jesus ?
3. And for the little story, for the people who believe in his existence, he came back in good health, after saving everybody, starting with the jews, so is it so important ?

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Secular historian Dr. Martin A. Larson (himself an atheist) writes in The Story of Christian Origins that Jesus was no myth, but a genuine historical figure.
There is a reference to Jesus in the writings of Josephus, in which Josephus refers to Jesus as a miracle worker and “the Christ,” or messiah. Nearly all scholars agree this passage is a later Christian forgery.
However, there is another passage in Josephus that indirectly refers to Jesus, which scholars believe is authentic. It describes the stoning of James (the brother of Jesus) in 62 CE. James is referred to as “the brother of Jesus, the so-called messiah.”
This is just a passing reference, which scholars accept as authentic. It proves there was a genuine historical person named Jesus who had followers calling him the messiah.

Halas for you, it’s still not proven to be authentic, quite the opposite. See :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Authenticity

But it’s a good start for a discussion.

Regarding the post I’ve made before and some of the responses I’ve gotten I think it’s clearly obvious that we have some cases of spiteful atheism here, the sort of atheists that don’t really fathom atheism but just like spiting the religious. There are two kinds of atheists as far as I’m concerned, the “Sci-fi” atheists and the realists. If you’re a realist and you accept atheist you are accepting that the universe is random and chaotic and unknowing of itself, that we are incidental and nothing matters beyond our own perception. That chemical interactions in our brains make up what we feel and who we are and when something dies in this universe, it dies; period. You cant have any sort of self esteem/self regard when you believe that. Most atheists I have met in my life are the “Sci-Fi” atheists who never really confront the reality of atheism as much as they just like to oppose organized religion.

…If you’re a realist and you accept atheist you are accepting that the universe is random and chaotic and unknowing of itself… …You cant have any sort of self esteem/self regard when you believe that…

Regarding the post you’ve made before and some of the responces you’ve gotten, I think it’s clearly obvious that you know nothing about atheism or psychology, or physics, or theology, or biology.
Always interesting to hear from you though.

There are two kinds of atheists as far as I’m concerned, the “Sci-fi” atheists and the realists.

At least two kinds. I’m a christian catholic atheist, wich is certainly not realist, but culturally true. And well, accepting the fact that I’m christian but don’t have any faith in… god ? What is God anyway ? I’m not a ’sci-fi’ atheist. And I’m sure I’m not the only one around here. So at least three kinds.

[…] You cant have any sort of self esteem/self regard when you believe that. Most atheists I have met in my life are the “Sci-Fi” atheists who never really confront the reality of atheism as much as they just like to oppose organized religion.

You didn’t meet enough people. There are plenty of them. I didn’t catch your story about self-esteem. The relation between ourselves and other humans/animals /ecological system is more important, in my opinion, for our self-esteem than to know that the whole universe is random and that in some years from now, well, we will die. I can live wih that.

Well, all you atheists, tell me why I shouldn’t kill you all and have sex with your widows and teen daughters?
Because YOU say it’s “wrong”?
Your basis of right and wrong means NOTHING to me.

Well, all you atheists, tell me why I shouldn’t kill you all and have sex with your widows and teen daughters?
Because YOU say it’s “wrong”?
Your basis of right and wrong means NOTHING to me.

Do you really need an invisible man in the sky to quote right and wrong?

Do you have a boss that looks over your shoulder every day?? or do you get to work unattended? are you self-employed??

The invisible man also attributed the same sense of right and wrong to eating meat on fridays, women walking 6 feet behind men…

sounds like an unreasonable boss to me!

Well, all you atheists, tell me why I shouldn’t kill you all and have sex with your widows and teen daughters?

If you lack the ability to form moral judgements by yourself, you might like to join a cult to help you gain somebody else’s sense of right and wrong.
But right and wrong enforced by magic? Life isn’t that simple.

We live in complex webs of interdependency.

As well as being an individual person, you are a member of various layers of human community. Where does your food and family and drink and music come from? Becoming a murdering rapist and very long term prisoner would rupture all that, and you seriously wouldn’t like it.

It is clearly against the interests of people that they should harm each other.

I’m an atheist and I don’t get why I can’t have self-esteem… Considering that the natural environment we all enjoy is of the utmost importance to me, it brings me endless joy to know that the elements and molecules that my body is composed of will one day decompose and find their way back into that natural environment (I know this will happen because science has proven that it will). That joy leaves me with a sense of wonder and importance that I can only regard as self-esteem.

Well, all you atheists, tell me why I shouldn’t kill you all and have sex with your widows and teen daughters?
Because YOU say it’s “wrong”?
Your basis of right and wrong means NOTHING to me.

That’s a question that I find threatening and repugnant. Fuck you for the threat of violence implicit in your question. If you can’t make your point without a (not so) veiled threat, there’s something wrong with your brain… see a shrink.

If your religion warps assholes like you who get off on murder/rape fantasies, I want no part of it.

If you look at history (and history will repeat itself), you find that all defunct religions of the world were etched out from society when the religion lost it’s significance.
It’s happening as we speak in America. Christianity — the root religion in this country — is slowly losing it’s influence. In 50 years, it will be something else completely different than what it is today. That is, if it survives.
“So will the real God please stand up?”

You pathetic people have nothing more to worry about than what others choose to believe. Sad. Get a life.

You’re so pathetic, you’ve got nothing better to do than complain about it.

I have a life, thank you very much, which, if you didn’t notice was threatened because I believe something different. So yeah, it’s important.

So how full is your life when you’ve got time to surf to other people’s websites just to post and complain that they shouldn’t be talking about whatever they’re talking about. Talk about pathetic!

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“You pathetic people have nothing more to worry about than what others choose to believe. Sad. Get a life.”

Being amused by the intellectually stunted is not “worrying” about them…

For anyone interested… it is so worth a look

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

Jesus Camp is one of the most disturbing movies I have ever seen. It is truly criminal what these people are doing to children.

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For anyone interested… it is so worth a look

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

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Jesus Camp is one of the most disturbing movies I have ever seen. It is truly criminal what these people are doing to children.”

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It may be disturbing to you because it is an obvious forgery from non-Christians posing as Christians. It is too bad that the tactics of Nero, Hitler, and Stalin never die. They just keep rolling with new cronies.

This post was an exact replica of another except that in the other, the word wasn’t “homosexual” but “Christians.” it was posted by a homosexual named “Tom” who wanted to show how much he hated Christians. I replaced the word “Christians” with “homosexuals” to highlight how wrong such thinking was. The only thing I changed was everytime he said “christians” I replaced it with “homosexuals”. Every other word is Toms post.
As is typical for the site this comes from, (FSTDT) the post was taken out of context and presented so as to form a false impression. The owner of that site and I had had a long convo. He is aware of the deceptive nature of what he does.
If his position was as strong as he claims it is, he would not have to use falsehood.

Ethan

Hanging around atheists actually makes me feel happier, despite the fact I beleive in God. Why? I find that a lot of religious people have twisted the image of God and Jesus, they just spew their names to justify their acts. They also portray a God that is only interested in people worshiping him and that doesn’t pay attention if he was actually a good person or not. I find that to be depressing. I find a lot of atheists to be more full of morale principles.

Still looking for those transitionals?

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